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November 13, 2019, 5:10 pm UTC    
October 17, 2019 12:56PM
Mea culpa - I hadn't been aware of the extent of some of these criticisms. However, the fact that Fell over-reached and perhaps discredited himself, does not erase all of the premises. I note David H. Kelley's statement as quoted in the Wiki article on Fell; "David H. Kelley, an archaeologist at the University of Calgary who is credited with a major breakthrough in the decipherment of Mayan glyphs, complained about Fell in a 1990 essay: "Fell's work [contains] major academic sins, the three worst being distortion of data, inadequate acknowledgment of predecessors, and lack of presentation of alternative views." In the same essay, however, Kelley went on to state that "I have no personal doubts that some of the inscriptions which have been reported are genuine Celtic ogham." Kelley concluded: "Despite my occasional harsh criticism of Fell's treatment of individual inscriptions, it should be recognized that without Fell's work there would be no [North American] ogham problem to perplex us. We need to ask not only what Fell has done wrong in his epigraphy, but also where we have gone wrong as archaeologists in not recognizing such an extensive European presence in the New World."[10]

So again, it's a baby in the bathwater thing, as far as I'm concerned. Part of my sense of this has to do with the fact that I live in Vermont (where Fell taught for a number of years) and have first hand experience of the stone chamber sites that are scattered throughout the northeast. Although some feel these to be post colonial, it is clear that they are not - nor are they the product of the native peoples living in the region when the fur traders and colonists arrived. If the builders of these stone chambers could have gotten here well before Columbus, why not traders (intentionally or unintentionally) during earlier periods? As the dictum goes, "never say never".



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