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November 22, 2019, 12:46 pm UTC    
July 23, 2015 11:58PM
Allan Shumaker Wrote:
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> This just confirms what Walter Neves craniometric
> studies indicated years ago.

1) From the Science paper:
[www.sciencemag.org]
"More importantly, our analyses demonstrated that the presumed ancestral ancient Paleoamerican reference sample from Lagoa Santa, Brazil (24) had closest affinities to Arctic and East Asian populations (table S15). Consequently, for the Fuego-Patagonians, the female Pericúes and the Lagoa Santa Paleoamerican sample, we were not able to replicate previous results (24) that report close similarity of Paleoamerican and Australo-Melanesian cranial morphologies."

2) From the Nature paper: (I don't seem to be able to copy and paste from it), but they clearly state that they do not have one ancient skeleton's DNA to match Neves claim for an early invasion of his claimed "different" morphological type.

3) Here was your position from a while back:
[www.hallofmaat.com]
"While I cannot comment on the reason for their speculation of an origin "near India", I can point out that virtually all of the oldest human remains from the Americas are significantly different from the later population. PaleoIndian or (probably a better nomenclature is) PaleoAmerican and early Archaic remains are usually dolichocephalic (long headed) whereas the later Native Americans (including the Maya) are mesocephalic.

My current interpretation for this radical change in skull shape is that an early migration (not necessarily the First) of modern humans represented a generalized form that had migrated from Africa, through South Asia and eventually moved north and crossed Beringia during the late Pleistocene. That early population was later replaced or genetically overwhelmed by later East Asian (Mongoloid) migrations. This is basically the same scenario proposed by Walter Neves in all of his craniometric studies."

Here is from a recent DNA paper:
[www.nature.com]
"We sequenced the genome to an average depth of 14.43 and show
that the gene flow from the Siberian Upper Palaeolithic Mal’ta
population5 into Native American ancestors is also shared by the
Anzick-1 individual and thus happened before 12,600 years BP. We
also show that the Anzick-1 individual is more closely related to all
indigenous American populations than to any other group. Our data
are compatible with the hypothesis that Anzick-1 belonged to a population
directly ancestral to many contemporary Native Americans.
Finally, we find evidence of a deep divergence in Native American
populations that predates the Anzick-1 individual."

"We find that the data are compatible with the Anzick-1 individual belonging
to a population that is directly ancestral to the two South American
Karitiana samples, as is the case for the Mayan, after masking the latter
for recent European admixture (Fig. 4a, b)."

Notice the Mayans ("including the Maya) are mesocephalic") and the Anzick Boy "dolichocephalic" Owlsley and Hunt 2001.
So you have a DNA link connecting the long heads with the round heads making them one in the same, at least after they got to the Americas but maybe not before.

A second ancient example would be:
[news.nationalgeographic.com]
"The skeleton contains both the craniofacial features of ancient Paleoamericans and mitochondrial DNA possessed by latter-day Native Americans."

This girl was a mix of both...so there never was an invasion of long heads thousands of years before Clovis according to the Neves model. And of course Kennewick Man would be a third example.

4) JOSEPH F. POWELL AND WALTER A. NEVES

Craniofacial Morphology of the First Americans:
Pattern and Process in the Peopling of the New World
YEARBOOK OF PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY 42:153–188 (1999)

"When the data were analyzed controlling for the effects of genetic drift (i.e., with smaller long-term effective
population sizes for Paleoindians), the Paleoindian samples were no longer distinct from modern Native American populations."

Neves should have quit while he was ahead.

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