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November 15, 2019, 2:46 pm UTC    
July 26, 2015 09:01AM
G Horvat Wrote:
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> Duncan Craig Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This data is so complex to my simple laymens
> mind.
> > Craniometric studies strke me as something
> out of
> > the nineteenth century. Are they still
> accepted as
> > evidence when they contradict DNA?
>
> I never thought that Neves' Paleoamerican data
> contradicted DNA because New World mtDNA
> haplogroup B appears to have originated in SE
> Asia. When the Tianyuan Cave individual was
> determined to have a sequence belonging to that
> haplogroup, this seemed to support the view. Like
> the mtDNA, the nuclear DNA was described as
> follows:
>
> "The nuclear DNA sequences determined from this
> early modern human
> reveal that the Tianyuan individual derived from a
> population that
> was ancestral to many present-day Asians and
> Native Americans
> but postdated the divergence of Asians from
> Europeans."

But the origin of a DNA sequence doesn't seem to have much influence on the origins of morphological affinities:
[australianmuseum.net.au]
The appearance of Southeast Asian features Early humans in Asia lack the characteristic features of the skull and face that are found in modern Southeast Asians. Exactly when typical Southeast Asian features arose is difficult to ascertain, but there appears to be little evolutionary continuity between these modern Asians and the ancient populations that lived in Southeast Asia before 15,000 years ago."

This doesn't do much for the Neves model.

> Then there's the nearby Zhoukoudian upper cave
> specimens which are said to lack Mongoloid
> physiognomy.

Ditto for ancient SE Asian physiognomy, neither existed 40 kya as in the case of your Tianyuan example. What Neves (2000) actually said was "some" similarities with
Zhoukoudian. "some"? How long is a string?


[...]
>
> I did not expect the Kennewick Man's haplogroup X
> classification

Well, I frankly didn't know which one, except that it would have been NA of some sort irrespective of skull shape.
What K Man's hap X demonstrates in my mind is they now have continuity through time on the Columbia Plateau even though the % is low there. I don't think the same can be said for the 25% found in the Algonquian (but that's a different topic).



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