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November 22, 2019, 4:26 am UTC    
February 26, 2018 05:04PM
Khazar-khum Wrote:
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> Or what was never put on walls in the first place.
> Plains Indians, for example, never drew on stone
> walls, yet we know they have a very rich culture.
> Most of the California petroglyphs are at least
> 10,000 years old, and we know that the culture of
> the Indians who lived in the Mojave was highly
> mobile and nomadic. Do we know that because of the
> petroglyphs? No, we know that because we were able
> to talk to them before they were forced off their
> lands.

You can't talk to Neanderthals, but you can test their DNA and biology and see the difference:
[www.smithsonianmag.com]
"After correcting for these differences, the research team found that the amount of brain volume left over for other tasks—in other words, the mental capacity not devoted to seeing the world or moving the body—was significantly smaller for Neanderthals than for ancient H. sapiens. Although the average raw brain volumes of the two groups studied were practically identical (1473.84 cubic centimeters for humans versus 1473.46 for Neanderthals), the average “corrected” Neanderthal brain volume was just 1133.98 cubic centimeters, compared to 1332.41 for the humans."

> Neanderthals almost certainly had a very rich
> culture that, unfortunately, was built on organic
> materials and thus perishable.

Since fragile plants are found at the same sites, no reason to think organic culture items would disappear and leave more fragile plants behind.
[www.sciencedirect.com]
"Benot Ya'aqov Formation to between 240,000 and 730,000 yr B.P. Archaeological excavation of three areas and two trenches at the new study area have produced abundant basalt, flint, and limestone artifacts, mammalian and avian fossils, and considerable plant material."

> The H erectus
> spears are an incredibly fortunate find, one that
> has never been replicated. (So much for science
> being repeatable).

Great, you got me there KK. So that means we can dump the 2018 Art paper in the garbage can because they used a repeatability test to prove their dating:
"TEDDi serves as standard which is run as a sample to check accuracy and reproducibility. "

Supplementary Materials for U-Th dating of carbonate crusts reveals Neandertal origin of Iberian cave art

Hoffman et al.
Published 23 February 2018, Science 359, 912 (2018)
DOI: 10.1126/science.aap7778

You just proved them wrong, good work! Now we know you can't use repeatability on U-Th for cave paintings.

> We have solid, physical evidence for Neanderthal
> use of paint, feathers, leather, fur,

But you just said: "...organic
materials and thus perishable."

I thought for sure feathers, leather, and fur were perishable organics.

> jewelry

Even the die-hard Neanderthal lovers admit Hn copied AMH jewelry.

>and fire.

Looks like their fire went out before they could get to the Yana River where all those delicious reindeer lived.

If we could see them, we would probably be
> shocked at how closely they resembled the
> sophisticated Americans, rather than the current
> "lost tribes".

[themandus.org]
This would explain why Neanderthals weren't using fire during the coldest parts of the glacial maximum just before 130,000 years ago. Wooly rhinos, wooly mammoths, and wooly Neanderthals makes sense.



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Scientists confirm that Neanderthals could paint.

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Khazar-khum February 27, 2018 03:59PM

Neanderthals couldn't paint representational art.

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Khazar-khum February 24, 2018 02:34PM

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Khazar-khum February 25, 2018 09:44PM

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Khazar-khum February 25, 2018 09:44PM

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Lee Olsen February 25, 2018 06:03PM

Not so fast Hoffman et al.

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Lee Olsen February 25, 2018 09:53PM

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Khazar-khum February 22, 2018 10:50PM

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