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September 12, 2018 10:48AM
Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> > > Tommi didn't mention anything about
> 'tests'
> >
> > It goes without saying, tests are part of
> the
> > scientific method, just like falsification,
> data,
> > and
>
> What kind of tests? They tested for Uranium and
> found it was a 130KYA.

The issue is whether hominins scavenged the mastodon. A date isn't a hominin.

> They tested to see if they
> could reassemble some of the smashed rocks they
> did.

So do natural breaks produce green fractures...they haven't falsified that, they just showed there are two ways to get the same results. That was already known.

> They tested to see if they could get
> conchoidal fractures on fresh bones. And they did.

[news.nationalgeographic.com]
"Can the researchers do anything else to back up their claim?
Yes. Deméré and his colleagues are currently examining the stone tools from the site for protein residues. If they really were used to smash the mastodon bone, microscopic bits of mastodon likely would have been ground into the rocks’ nooks and crannies."

Why are they hiding the results? One would think the results would be in the display case bragging about it at the museum.

> So far they falsified every contra assertion that
> was made.

By ignoring the tough questions and answering to the easy ones:
[arstechnica.com]
“The only tools needed to break these bones, based on experimental archaeology breakage of elephant limb bones, are cobble anvils and hammers. We state that there is no evidence that humans hunted/killed or butchered the mastodon, so you would not need chipped stone tools,” said Holen. “At the Cerutti Site, the mastodon bone was apparently scavenged from a mastodon that was already dead.”

[www.andywhiteanthropology.com]
"I'm no expert on paleontology and taphonomy, but as I thought through the suggested scenario, I wondered how all the meat came off the bones before before the purported humans smashed them open with rocks. The authors state that there's no carnivore damage, and unless I missed it I didn't see any discussion of cutmarks left by butchering the carcass with stone tools. So where did the meat go? If it wasn't removed by animals (no carnivore marks) and wasn't removed by humans (no cutmarks) did it just rot away? If so, would the bones have still been "green" for humans to break them open?"

It's one thing to say not all sites have human remaims or lithic flakes (like in the Old World). That truism is complete deception and ignores the fact that hominin remains have been found in the Old World, not many, but enough to know they were actually there somewhere. Foley and Lahr [journals.plos.org] have demonstrated there are trillions of unequivocal artifacts in the Old world.

So the unequivocal evidence exists in the Old World, including DNA evidence.

In the Americas there isn't one modern dig using today's technology that's produced so much as one tooth, or a single conchoidal fractured stone flake anywhere in the Americas, or any DNA before ca 15000 years ago. Invisible hominins are science fiction.

> Something seriously missing in all aspects of the
> Cerutti "interpretations".
> Of course I believe they have 11% of a mastodon
> and some broken rocks.

> Which means they utilized the other 89% of the body for something else. That's incredibly efficicent.

No one can refute your imagination. There isn't any evidence they utilized any of that mastodon. Making up evidence you don't have is pseudoscience.

> Again so what? Asking irrelevant questions and declaring victory when you don't get the > answer you like straight out of the playbook of games scientists play. More red herring arguments.

The only red herring is your failure to answer, why if the broken tooth and all the pieces are still there, how it could it be a tool? Have you ever tried eating a molar for marrow? At least one can eat a red herring and get a little nutrition, go ahead, do the test...eat a molar and report the results in a peer-reviewed journal. This isn't a discussion of the evidence, it's simply falsifying silly stories.








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Re: Demere turns on Cerutti hominins, admits the simplest explanation is a mastodon broken leg

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, no new test results, no new sites

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, "Clovis First" is still D.O.A.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, "Clovis First" is still D.O.A.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, "Clovis First" is still D.O.A.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: Another chapter in the Gospel According To Cloviscientology.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

Lee Olsen September 15, 2018 10:54AM

Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

Khazar-khum September 15, 2018 01:01PM

Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

Lee Olsen September 20, 2018 08:06PM

Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

Rick Baudé September 13, 2018 09:16PM

Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

Lee Olsen September 13, 2018 10:31PM

Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later...do the math

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later...do the math

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later...do the math

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later...do the math

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