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November 13, 2019, 2:12 pm UTC    
September 13, 2018 10:31PM
Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> > >
> >
> > Did you see any human pre-Clovis skeletons at
> the
> > SD museum while you were there?
> > No? That's because there aren't any to put
> in
> > there. So much for pre-Clovis fables, story
> > telling, and "interpreted" delusions at
> Cerutti.
>
> Ah yes the oldest rhetorical trick in the book,
> demand something that you know your opponent can't
> deliver and then declare victory when they can't
> produce it.

[www.hallofmaat.com]
Posted by: Tommi Huhtamaki
Date: May 19, 2018 12:20AM
"Again, the reasons for him seeing a difference there has been very well explained. One doesn't have to agree, but I have not seen that much counter-arguments based on evidence, but rather attempts to turn it personal."

Europe produced skeletons, in spades, and Africa trillions stone tools.
The reason Cerutti can't deliver still remains, there is nothing to deliver.

Saying zero evidence a trick is the oldest ploy in the book. It isn't science, it's story telling.

>
> But once again we've got my axes,

No we don't. What we have is another diversion called delete the photos, then cite your self in an endless circular loop. which is the same as no evidence at all.

[www.hallofmaat.com]
Posted by: Tommi Huhtamaki
Date: August 13, 2018 11:09AM
"If there is a fact presented, it can be verified from independent sources, not just your words. And on topic, not jumping to gender roles or whatever else one might to try and distract the discussion with."



"Even more problematic than sites with geofact assemblages and
bones, are proposed LGM and pre-LGM sites where flaked-stone
tools are absent and the entire case for human occupation is
based on the taphonomy of faunal assemblages. Recent claims of
pre-LGM occupation at the Cerutti Mastodon site, California (Holen
et al., 2017), as well as the La Sena site, Nebraska, the Lovewell site,
Colorado, and others, have been based primarily on bone breakage
patterns and the position of faunal elements (Holen et al., 2017;
Holen, 2006, 2007). Because both human and natural processes can
create cut marks, spiral fractures, and percussion marks on bone
(Haynes and Krasinski, 2010; Krasinski, 2010), the evidence reported
from these sites remains equivocal at best."

Assessing the proposed pre-last glacial maximum human occupation
of North America at Coats-Hines-Litchy, Tennessee, and other sites
Jesse W. Tune et al.
Quaternary Science Reviews 186 (2018)

[arstechnica.com]
"But Baylor University anthropologist Joseph Ferraro and his colleagues argue that natural processes could also have been to blame. They say they’ve seen the same kinds of spiral fractures, impact notches, and flake scars on bones at other sites—like a group of 24,000-year-old mammoth bones at Inglewood Mammoth Site in Maryland, a group of 66,800-to-51,300-year-old mammoth bones at Waco Mammoth National Monument in Texas, and others dating all the way back to the Triassic Period."

[www.latimes.com]
"In his final report completed in 1995, Deméré hedged. He wrote that the spiral fractures in the femurs could have been produced “by human activity” or by simple “torsion caused by twisting,” what a panicked animal might do if its foot were sunk in mud."

[archeothoughts.wordpress.com]
"Holen et al (2017) show that the Cerutti Mastodon bones could have been fractured by stone tools. They don’t show that they were."

Even Demere clearly agrees spiral fractures weren't caused by hominins. Why? Because he knew there are no humans or hominins at Cerutti or anywhere else in the Americas to break those bones and teeth before 15kya. And there still isn't. But don't let the facts muck up a good story.

Here is what is in Old World museums all over Europe:
[www.gettyimages.com]

Here are the hominin skeletons in American museums before 15kya:
[www.express.co.uk]
Here are the unequivocal artifacts in the Old World:
[www.dailymail.co.uk]

Here are the unequivocal artifacts found in the New World before ca 15kya:
[www.newscientist.com] (plus geofacts)

"Clovisonlysphere"? Hemmings, Waters, Adovasio, Erlandson, are all pre-Clovis advocates that have done the most to expose the Cerutti fable, and you call them the Clovisonlysphere? Now that's a real trick.








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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, "Clovis First" is still D.O.A.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: Another chapter in the Gospel According To Cloviscientology.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later, same old strawman arguments.

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later...do the math

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later...do the math

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Re: The Cerutti Mastodon Site: One Year Later...do the math

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