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November 13, 2019, 2:11 am UTC    
September 14, 2018 07:32AM
Rick Baudé Wrote:
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> Lee Olsen Wrote:
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> -----
> > Rick Baudé Wrote:
> >
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> > -----
> > > So?
> >
> > A trillion flakes are missing, flakes don't
> rot
> > away like skeletons if that lame excuse is
> used.

No answer, no data, no evidence. In the world of make believe, nothing is something.

> >
> > > All it proves is there was a founding
> > > population somewhere around the 13KYA
> level.
> > By
> > > then Cerutti, Calico, and Valesequillo
> were
> > long
> > > gone taking every trace of their DNA
> with
> > them.
> >
> > No one can refute a negative.
> >
> > Then (if they existed at all) they had
> nothing to
> > do with the populating of the Americas. No
> one
> > cares who the one-day failures were. I've
> already
> > referenced to the Robinson Crusoe
> possibility. One
> > duck doesn't make a flock.
>
> Vallesequillo is reliably dated at 250KYA

There is no direct date on hominin skeletal material. Wishing there was is not evidence.

> and
> Cerutti a 130 that means hominids were here for at
> least a 120K. Hardly a one day failure.

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Posted by: Tommi Huhtamaki
"If there is a fact presented, it can be verified from independent sources, not just your words. And on topic, not jumping to gender roles or whatever else one might to try and distract the discussion with."

" Since the
discovery and definition of Clovis,
researchers have searched for evidence
of an even older occupation of
the Americas, but most sites dating
before Clovis investigated between
1960 and 1995 [e.g., Calico (California),
Tule Springs (Nevada), Pendejo
Cave (New Mexico), Pedra
Furada (Brazil), Pikimachay Cave
(Peru), and Tlapacoya (Mexico)] have
not held up to scientific scrutiny
(2, 39)."
2 and 39 are Haynes and Dixon.

Ted Goebel, Michael R. Waters, Dennis H. O’Rourke
The Late Pleistocene Dispersal of Modern Humans
in the Americas
Science 319, 1497 (2008)

> > "5. Are there human remains that are
> reliably
> > dated older than 11,500 B.P.?" No.
>
> So what another ad hoc definition.

No, an ad hominem directed against Vance Haynes.

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Re: The Feud Over the Extinction of Dinosaurs
Posted by: Tommi Huhtamaki
"If there is a fact presented, it can be verified from independent sources, not just your words. And on topic, not jumping to gender roles or whatever else one might to try and distract the discussion with."

[...]

> I have looked at
> every
> > "mint" specimen from the
> > subsurface excavations at Calico, and I do
> not
> > consider any of the items
> > to be man-made."
> > Jeanne Day Binning, Ph.D.
> > Senior Environmental Planner
> > Branch Chief, Central California Cultural
> > Resources Branch
> > District 06 Heritage Resource Coordinator
> > District 06 Environmental Office
> > Fresno, CA
> > “ And it was Louis’s attempt to fulfill this
>
> > desire at Calico Hills in the Mojave Desert
> > that was so catastrophic to his professional
>
> > career and was largely responsible for the
> > parting of our ways……I saw the finds, which
> > consisted of fractured pieces of chert..”
> >
> > Leakey M.D. (1984:142): Disclosing the past.
>
> > New York: Doubleday.
> > " Since the
> > discovery and definition of Clovis,
> > researchers have searched for evidence
> > of an even older occupation of
> > the Americas, but most sites dating
> > before Clovis investigated between
> > 1960 and 1995 have
> > not held up to scientific scrutiny
> > (2, 39)."
> > 2 and 39 are Haynes and Dixon.
> >
> > Ted Goebel, Michael R. Waters, Dennis H.
> O’Rourke
> >
> > The Late Pleistocene Dispersal of Modern
> Humans
> > in the Americas
> > Science 319, 1497 (2008)
>
>
> Again so what? Nothing more than a series of ad
> hominems
> against Leakey and Calico.

Which is exactly what you are doing to Binning and Mary Leakey. They were there, you were not. I'll let the readers of this list decide who is casting the ad hominems, the principles and qualified PhDs who were there or the layperson who wasn't. Do you teach any lithics classes at a major university as Binning did?


> It's a shame
> that Mannix was stripped of all of its material,
> but that's the nature of the beast.

Yeah, stripped by pothunters and druggies who sold them at flea markets to gullible buyers or selfishly hoarded them in private collections, never to be seen again or marked for provenance.

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"I know you have made light of Lee's comments concerning site reports, you might not want to do that anymore because it's just showing how little you know of how archaeology operates."

The reason there are no site reports for these data free, skeletal free, 130kya pre-Clovis sites is because there is nothing credible to put in them.







Subject Author Posted

Clovis still first

Lee Olsen September 13, 2018 10:41PM

Re: Clovis still first

Rick Baudé September 13, 2018 10:49PM

Re: Clovis still first

Lee Olsen September 14, 2018 12:01AM

Re: Clovis still first

Rick Baudé September 14, 2018 12:25AM

Re: Clovis still first

Lee Olsen September 14, 2018 07:32AM

Re: Clovis still first

Rick Baudé September 14, 2018 09:57AM

Re: Clovis still first

Lee Olsen September 14, 2018 11:24AM

Re: Clovis was still last. No matter what Cloviscientology says.

Rick Baudé September 14, 2018 11:41AM

Re: Clovis was still last. No matter what Cloviscientology says.

Khazar-khum September 14, 2018 06:22PM

Re: Clovis was still last. No matter what Cloviscientology says.

Lee Olsen September 15, 2018 11:21AM

Re: Clovis was still last. No matter what Cloviscientology says.

Khazar-khum September 15, 2018 01:06PM

Re: Clovis was still first. No matter what Louis says

Lee Olsen September 15, 2018 01:13PM

Re: Clovis is still first, no matter what invisible skeletons say.

Lee Olsen September 15, 2018 09:40AM



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