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November 22, 2019, 8:24 am UTC    
October 07, 2019 09:29AM
L Cooper Wrote:
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> ... Unfortunately, your interpretation
> seems to fall no where near this, but no matter.
> I'll address mostly line 1487.

I often say my "interpretation" isn't really interpretation at all but rather it is the implied literal meaning.

> Mercer, who I believe you are quoting from, has it
> almost about right here: "Thou art standing,
> Osiris; thy shadow is over thee, Osiris" - except
> for the fact that he translates the word Shwyt as
> "shadow", when it actually has more the meaning of
> "shade" or "protection" - as implied by the S36
> glyph. The image here is of the deceased King,
> here referred to as the resurrecting "Osiris",
> ascending to the northern polar region where this
> resurrection will occur. Above his head as he
> ascends, there is his "shade", providing him with
> protection from the strong burning heat emanating
> from the god at the center of this polar region.
> This "shade" of protection is for the deceased
> King (Osiris), not for Atum. If anything, the
> protection is protection from Atum, not for Atum.

I recognize the vast expertise that has gone into our understanding of the Pyramid Texts and every line in it but it seems to me we are seeing the exact same thing from two different angles. The king can only "live:" after his death as the pyramid itself ("he is the pyramid, he protects") and construction can only proceed on the pyramid when "atum/ osiris" stands and creates the shadow above. I'm suggesting they had a completely different way to think and it was driven by a completely different language that not coincidentally shares our same vocabulary. New words were not invented when formatting was changed at least initially.

> In addition, Mercer misinterprets Sethe in regard
> to his "Mooring Post" translation. I believe the
> image here is of the deceased King on his voyage
> to his final resting place (in the sky). The
> boat's anchor is weighed and the boat is loosed
> from its moorage. The boat is what is "great"
> here, not the mooring post. The djed pillar was
> likely a post on the boat to which the mooring
> rope was tied, not the mooring post itself. See
> related imagery in Utt. 532.

Again it's the same thing from a different angle. The king ascends to heaven to his final resting place as the pyramid and it's the pyramid in the sky.

The djed was the origin of the "Boat of Re" because it was the origin of the water for the "upper eye of horus" and was located in the bow of the boat.which sailed north to the circumpolar stars. The Boat of Re was the pyramid itself especially as it was under construction.

Building the pyramid was a tremendous undertaking for the primitive Egyptians despite the fact the "gods" did ALL the heavy lifting. It wasn't so much manpower that was a little stressful but rather the commitment of resources in a primitive economy. They always had a pyramid under construction because this was the nature of the culture and they had the available materials to do the work. It required several tons of copper and thousands of board feet of lumber to build these as well as ships, ropes and manpower. They had primitive means of food storage so building these during peak growing season with no crop in the ground wasn't especially taxing or dangerous. But all over Egypt it required extra men at various facilities to handle increased work loads during "high nile". This made pyramid building to be important to everyone across the land. The pyramid/ king watched over the people eternally and protected them from threats both internal and external much as the shade (alexander's band) "protected" the source of water from the "mooring post of the Boat of Re".

Obviously this is a radical idea that the PT makes perfect sense. But, I believe, that all that is required to see it is a change of perspective. Changing perspective is very difficult since we tend to always take the baggage that is our beliefs with us. We believe ancient people differed from us only in that they were superstitious but the opposite may well be the reality.

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Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.
Subject Author Posted

Still avoiding facts I see (with topic "Atum's Shadow")

Hans October 06, 2019 11:06AM

Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 06, 2019 11:54AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 06, 2019 07:08PM

The advantage of never documenting anything

Hans October 06, 2019 10:46PM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

cladking October 07, 2019 08:09AM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

Hans October 07, 2019 08:58AM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

cladking October 07, 2019 09:37AM

It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

Hans October 07, 2019 12:05PM

Re: It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

cladking October 07, 2019 02:14PM

Re: It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

Hans October 07, 2019 04:19PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 07, 2019 08:23AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 07, 2019 08:46AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 11, 2019 08:39AM

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L Cooper October 12, 2019 08:45AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 12, 2019 09:24AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 13, 2019 08:58AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 13, 2019 09:13AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 18, 2019 07:44AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 07, 2019 09:07AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 07, 2019 09:29AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 07, 2019 02:28PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 07, 2019 08:13PM

Challenge taken

Hans October 08, 2019 05:49PM

Re: Challenge taken

cladking October 09, 2019 07:56AM

Your prediction was wrong Cladking

Hans October 09, 2019 10:35AM

Re: Challenge taken

cladking October 10, 2019 05:52PM

Re: Challenge taken

Hans October 10, 2019 07:38PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Chris Tedder October 09, 2019 04:05AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 09, 2019 08:06AM

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Hans October 09, 2019 10:47AM

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cladking October 09, 2019 09:42PM

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Hans October 09, 2019 11:52PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 09, 2019 09:52PM

Pretending

Hans October 09, 2019 11:25PM

Re: Pretending

cladking October 10, 2019 05:34PM

Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 10, 2019 05:38PM

Re: Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

cladking October 10, 2019 05:56PM

Re: Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 14, 2019 11:27AM

"Shu" Means "Upward".

cladking October 14, 2019 12:52PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

L Cooper October 14, 2019 01:22PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 14, 2019 07:08PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 14, 2019 08:05PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 14, 2019 11:10PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 15, 2019 08:57AM

Still pretending you can translate AE by looking at the English translation..

Hans October 15, 2019 09:14AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

L Cooper October 15, 2019 09:25AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 15, 2019 12:19PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 08:45AM

Why not just show us your research and data? Why are you hiding it?

Hans October 16, 2019 09:57AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Byrd October 15, 2019 05:39PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 15, 2019 06:47PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hermione October 16, 2019 02:30AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 09:05AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 09:03AM

More opinion presented as 'fact'

Hans October 16, 2019 09:55AM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

cladking October 16, 2019 04:40PM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

Hans October 16, 2019 05:21PM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

cladking October 16, 2019 06:01PM

Cladking accepts that his idea was falsified

Hans October 16, 2019 07:08PM

Your idea is falsified

Hans October 14, 2019 07:06PM

Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 10, 2019 05:36PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 10, 2019 06:12PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 10, 2019 07:38PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 21, 2019 07:16PM



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