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November 22, 2019, 8:28 am UTC    
October 08, 2019 05:49PM
cladking Wrote:
This is the circular
> argument and the simple fact that the "god" "shu"
> is always associated with "upward", "ascension",
> "lifting", "rising", etc is simple observation
> that no Egyptologist has said so I can quote him.
> You are simply assuming this is my failing rather
> than yours or theirs.
>
> Substitute "upward" everywhere you see "shu" in
> the PT and let me know what you think. I predict
> you would soon see patterns emerging.

Okay challenged accepted: results at the bottom

The original translation from here: [www.pyramidtextsonline.com]

168: Shu, this your son is here, Osiris, whom you have preserved alive. He lives! He lives! This Unas lives! He is not dead, this Unas is not dead! He is not gone down, this Unas is not gone down! He has not been judged, this Unas has not been judged! He judges, this Unas judges!

As Cladking would have us substitute: Upwards, this your son is here, Osiris, whom you have preserved alive. He lives! He lives!

Nah

Real translation

208: You go up and open the way through the bones of Shu (air), the embrace of your mother Nut enfolds you, you purify yourself on the horizon and leave that which should be purified from you in the Lakes of Shu.

Cladking's

208: You go up and open the way through the bones of Upwards (air), the embrace of your mother Nut enfolds you, you purify yourself on the horizon and leave that which should be purified from you in the Lakes of Upwards.

Nah

Real

123: Unas has united himself to the Moist, he kissed the Dry Seat, Unas joined himself to the Flame, Unas unites himself with the Beautiful One. He is afraid of Shu who disperses and scatters (?). It is indeed the Beautiful One who fears Unas, and she gives bread to Unas. She does him good on this day."

Cladking

123: Unas has united himself to the Moist, he kissed the Dry Seat, Unas joined himself to the Flame, Unas unites himself with the Beautiful One. He is afraid of Upwards who disperses and scatters (?). It is indeed the Beautiful One who fears Unas, and she gives bread to Unas. She does him good on this day."

Nah

Real

125: To say the words:
"Shu is flourishing. Unas has not taken away his meal! Unas is flourishing. Shu has not taken away his meal! The messengers of the East repeat: "This is your bread!"

Cladking

125: To say the words:
"Upward is flourishing. Unas has not taken away his meal! Unas is flourishing. Upwards has not taken away his meal! The messengers of the East repeat: "This is your bread!"

Nah

Real

275: To say the words:
"He is purified who has purified himself in the Fields of Rushes.
Re has purified himself in the Fields of Rushes.
He is purified, who has purified himself in the Fields of Rushes.
This Unas has purified himself in the Fields of Rushes.
The hand of Unas is in the hand of Re.
Nut, take his hand!
Shu, lift him up! Shu, lift him up!"

Cladking

275: To say the words:
"He is purified who has purified himself in the Fields of Rushes.
Re has purified himself in the Fields of Rushes.
He is purified, who has purified himself in the Fields of Rushes.
This Unas has purified himself in the Fields of Rushes.
The hand of Unas is in the hand of Re.
Nut, take his hand!
Upwards, lift him up! Upwards, lift him up!"

That one works

Real

288: The Praise-Serpent is on its Da(m)-scepter, the Tefnut of Unas, she who supports Shu, she makes his seat wide in Busiris (Ddw), in Mendes (Dd.t), in the necropolis of Heliopolis.
She erects his two supports (jA.tj) in front of the Great One.

Cladking

288: The Praise-Serpent is on its Da(m)-scepter, the Tefnut of Unas, she who supports Upwards, she makes his seat wide in Busiris (Ddw), in Mendes (Dd.t), in the necropolis of Heliopolis.
She erects his two supports (jA.tj) in front of the Great One.

Nah

Real

294: What is before his throne,
what he will seize, what he will exalt [is what his father] Shu gave him in the presence of Seth."

Cladking

294: What is before his throne,
what he will seize, what he will exalt [is what his father] Upwards gave him in the presence of Seth."

Nah

Real

299: He will then strike off [the arms of Shu under Nut].
Unas will then lay his arm on this (last) protection on which you lean.

Cladking

299: He will then strike off [the arms of Upwards under Nut].
Unas will then lay his arm on this (last) protection on which you lean.

Nah

Real

317: Unas, the small orphan (tefen), went to law with the sister (Tefnet).
The Two Truths judged, while Shu was a witness.

Cladking

317: Unas, the small orphan (tefen), went to law with the sister (Tefnet).
The Two Truths judged, while Upwards was a witness.

Nah

Real

324: To say the words:
"Unas is a heart-thrower, the son of the heart of Shu, spread out an outspreading with a terrible light.

Cladking

324: To say the words:
"Unas is a heart-thrower, the son of the heart of Upwards, spread out an outspreading with a terrible light.

Nah

Real

325: Unas traverses the air (Shu) and passes over the earth (Aker).
He kisses the Red Crown as one hurled by a god.

Cladking

325: Unas traverses the air (Upwards) and passes over the earth (Aker).
He kisses the Red Crown as one hurled by a god.

Maybe - kinda

Real

379: They come the ones who have risen up.
They come, the ones who have risen up.
They come the ones who have elevated (Shu-wise).
They come the ones who have elevated (Shu-wise).

Cladking

379: They come the ones who have risen up.
They come, the ones who have risen up.
They come the ones who have elevated (upwards-wise).
They come the ones who have elevated (upwards-wise).

Okay makes sense

Real

447: Your bread of eternity is yours,
O Atum together with the Double Lion, who have created themselves,
their double divinity for themselves.
This is Shu with Tefnut, the two who made the gods, begat the gods, established the gods.

Cladking

447: Your bread of eternity is yours,
O Atum together with the Double Lion, who have created themselves,
their double divinity for themselves.
This is Upwards with Tefnut, the two who made the gods, begat the gods, established the gods.

Nah


Results out of 13 utterances 10 made no sense with the substitution, 2 made sense, 1 way maybe

So result: blind substitution as directed by Cladking doesn't work - a 23% 'correct rate' and this being generous. This is why people have been asking you for 10 years to translate the PT using your 'beliefs'. You have steadfastly refused over and over again because I believe you are fully aware your 'method' doesn't work as the 'work' you present on forum's is cherry picked.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/08/2019 06:06PM by Hans.
Subject Author Posted

Still avoiding facts I see (with topic "Atum's Shadow")

Hans October 06, 2019 11:06AM

Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 06, 2019 11:54AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 06, 2019 07:08PM

The advantage of never documenting anything

Hans October 06, 2019 10:46PM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

cladking October 07, 2019 08:09AM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

Hans October 07, 2019 08:58AM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

cladking October 07, 2019 09:37AM

It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

Hans October 07, 2019 12:05PM

Re: It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

cladking October 07, 2019 02:14PM

Re: It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

Hans October 07, 2019 04:19PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 07, 2019 08:23AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 07, 2019 08:46AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 11, 2019 08:39AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 12, 2019 08:45AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 12, 2019 09:24AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 13, 2019 08:58AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 13, 2019 09:13AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 18, 2019 07:44AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 07, 2019 09:07AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 07, 2019 09:29AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 07, 2019 02:28PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 07, 2019 08:13PM

Challenge taken

Hans October 08, 2019 05:49PM

Re: Challenge taken

cladking October 09, 2019 07:56AM

Your prediction was wrong Cladking

Hans October 09, 2019 10:35AM

Re: Challenge taken

cladking October 10, 2019 05:52PM

Re: Challenge taken

Hans October 10, 2019 07:38PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Chris Tedder October 09, 2019 04:05AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 09, 2019 08:06AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 09, 2019 10:47AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 09, 2019 09:42PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 09, 2019 11:52PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 09, 2019 09:52PM

Pretending

Hans October 09, 2019 11:25PM

Re: Pretending

cladking October 10, 2019 05:34PM

Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 10, 2019 05:38PM

Re: Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

cladking October 10, 2019 05:56PM

Re: Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 14, 2019 11:27AM

"Shu" Means "Upward".

cladking October 14, 2019 12:52PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

L Cooper October 14, 2019 01:22PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 14, 2019 07:08PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 14, 2019 08:05PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 14, 2019 11:10PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 15, 2019 08:57AM

Still pretending you can translate AE by looking at the English translation..

Hans October 15, 2019 09:14AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

L Cooper October 15, 2019 09:25AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 15, 2019 12:19PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 08:45AM

Why not just show us your research and data? Why are you hiding it?

Hans October 16, 2019 09:57AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Byrd October 15, 2019 05:39PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 15, 2019 06:47PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hermione October 16, 2019 02:30AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 09:05AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 09:03AM

More opinion presented as 'fact'

Hans October 16, 2019 09:55AM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

cladking October 16, 2019 04:40PM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

Hans October 16, 2019 05:21PM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

cladking October 16, 2019 06:01PM

Cladking accepts that his idea was falsified

Hans October 16, 2019 07:08PM

Your idea is falsified

Hans October 14, 2019 07:06PM

Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 10, 2019 05:36PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 10, 2019 06:12PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 10, 2019 07:38PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 21, 2019 07:16PM



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