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November 22, 2019, 7:25 am UTC    
October 14, 2019 08:05PM
L Cooper Wrote:
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> The word "shu" can have a wide variety of meanings
> - sometimes based upon its spelling, and sometimes
> based more upon the context in which it appears.
> For instance, it can mean: "to be empty, to be
> lacking, devoid, sun, sunlight, dry, dried, to be
> needy, the air-god Shu, ascend, raise, bag,
> umbrella, protection". And it takes many of these
> meanings in the PT's, maybe even more.

A few things. I know I sometimes fall into the usage of the word "means" to apply to a definition of a word like "shu" to mean "upward" but I believe that no ancient word was defined because they had a single meaning. Words were "named" rather than defined and they represented that concept in a sentence. It makes no sense because we automatically parse sentences to understand them. "Shu" represented the concept of "upward" in a sentence when "upward" was the subject of that sentence. If I'm right it's very hard to follow ancient writing because it's alien to the way we speak and think. Everything had three words and the one chosen in a sentence determined whether it was the subject, object, or meaning of the sentence. This is very unnatural for a modern language speaker but the upshot of it is that the author intent of most sentences is very very close to the literal meaning. This occurs because of the nature of Ancient Language to mirror reality itself. It can't really be "translated" at all because modern language can not be forced to obey natural law.

I seriously doubt that any language can exist where words have dozens of meanings. This applies a million times over to the language of the Pyramid Texts which has so very very few words in it. It would simply be impossible to communicate when the few words used had so many meanings. We have hundreds of thousands of words to create context and make our sentences parseable. They lacked vocabulary and if i'm right you must divide it by three. This is why Ancient Language breaks Zipf's Law. They had to use the same words over and over like computer code (which is the only language today that breaks the law).

"Shu" is always associated with rising not because he is air, a void, or whatever but because this word represents "upward". If you believe you find a sentence where the literal meaning of "shu" isn't "upward" then I believe you are parsing it wrong. It can't be parsed at all without destroying the meaning. You must reinterpret the sentence until "shu" represents 'upward:" to see author intent. Of course many many other words are misinterpreted as well so these must be solved in context as well. But some things are very apparent;

2052b. The mother of N. is Nut;
2053a. the father of N. is Shu; the mother of N. is Tefnut.
2053b. They take N. to heaven, to heaven-on the smoke of incense.

The feminine concept of the origin of the pyramid is the "sky" and the masculine concept is "upward". It is Downward who makes the earth high under the sky using nothing but her arms.

1405a. To say: The earth is high under the sky by (means of) thine arms, Tefnut.

Tefnut plus shu equals N who is in the sky.

"He is the pyramid, he protects".

Shu and tefnut (with her arms) take N to heaven and he ascends on the smoke of incense.

Of course this literal meaning is difficult to believe but it is consistent and answers questions like why they had no words for "thought" or "belief" and there are no true taxonomic words in Ancient Language.



I read all the modern sources though frankly I haven't bought Allen's book yet because I can't cross reference it. Even where I can it just doesn't seem to agree with any earlier translators. If I'm right that the language can't be translated then any individual "translator" is irrelevant anyway.

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Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.
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Still avoiding facts I see (with topic "Atum's Shadow")

Hans October 06, 2019 11:06AM

Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 06, 2019 11:54AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 06, 2019 07:08PM

The advantage of never documenting anything

Hans October 06, 2019 10:46PM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

cladking October 07, 2019 08:09AM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

Hans October 07, 2019 08:58AM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

cladking October 07, 2019 09:37AM

It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

Hans October 07, 2019 12:05PM

Re: It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

cladking October 07, 2019 02:14PM

Re: It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

Hans October 07, 2019 04:19PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 07, 2019 08:23AM

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Spiros October 07, 2019 08:46AM

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Spiros October 11, 2019 08:39AM

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L Cooper October 12, 2019 08:45AM

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cladking October 12, 2019 09:24AM

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L Cooper October 13, 2019 08:58AM

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cladking October 13, 2019 09:13AM

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Spiros October 18, 2019 07:44AM

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Hans October 07, 2019 09:07AM

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cladking October 07, 2019 09:29AM

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L Cooper October 07, 2019 02:28PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 07, 2019 08:13PM

Challenge taken

Hans October 08, 2019 05:49PM

Re: Challenge taken

cladking October 09, 2019 07:56AM

Your prediction was wrong Cladking

Hans October 09, 2019 10:35AM

Re: Challenge taken

cladking October 10, 2019 05:52PM

Re: Challenge taken

Hans October 10, 2019 07:38PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Chris Tedder October 09, 2019 04:05AM

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cladking October 09, 2019 08:06AM

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Hans October 09, 2019 10:47AM

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cladking October 09, 2019 09:42PM

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Hans October 09, 2019 11:52PM

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cladking October 09, 2019 09:52PM

Pretending

Hans October 09, 2019 11:25PM

Re: Pretending

cladking October 10, 2019 05:34PM

Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 10, 2019 05:38PM

Re: Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

cladking October 10, 2019 05:56PM

Re: Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 14, 2019 11:27AM

"Shu" Means "Upward".

cladking October 14, 2019 12:52PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

L Cooper October 14, 2019 01:22PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 14, 2019 07:08PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 14, 2019 08:05PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 14, 2019 11:10PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 15, 2019 08:57AM

Still pretending you can translate AE by looking at the English translation..

Hans October 15, 2019 09:14AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

L Cooper October 15, 2019 09:25AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 15, 2019 12:19PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 08:45AM

Why not just show us your research and data? Why are you hiding it?

Hans October 16, 2019 09:57AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Byrd October 15, 2019 05:39PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 15, 2019 06:47PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hermione October 16, 2019 02:30AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 09:05AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 09:03AM

More opinion presented as 'fact'

Hans October 16, 2019 09:55AM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

cladking October 16, 2019 04:40PM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

Hans October 16, 2019 05:21PM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

cladking October 16, 2019 06:01PM

Cladking accepts that his idea was falsified

Hans October 16, 2019 07:08PM

Your idea is falsified

Hans October 14, 2019 07:06PM

Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 10, 2019 05:36PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 10, 2019 06:12PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 10, 2019 07:38PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 21, 2019 07:16PM



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