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November 22, 2019, 8:20 am UTC    
October 16, 2019 08:45AM
L Cooper Wrote:
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> Any translation from one language to another will
> have its flaws due to differences in world view
> and such. This, however, does not mean that
> translations lack levels of validity and
> usefulness, nor that by looking at a number of
> translations one can't get even closer to the
> intent of the original. Your view strikes me as
> being similar to that of Calvin, of "Calvin and
> Hobbes", where no one else understands "natural
> law" in the way that he does, except, of course,
> for perhaps his stuffed tiger. (And even he often
> questions Calvin's reasoning.)

Imagine there were a language that was mathematical in nature. Grammar was logic and the words were the operators.

If we stumbled on such a language on another planet we might or might not be able to decipher it dependent on whether or not we had sufficient context to understand. But I am suggesting that this is "exactly" what we have here and it is so difficult to see because when the language collapsed due to its complexity the vocabulary survived. We no longer use the vocabulary with the precision of logic while word meanings have evolved and hundreds of thousands of new words have arisen. The very way in which meaning is imparted has changed. Rather than comparing our meaning to reality we compare it to our beliefs and models. We simply make statements about the nature of reality whether the statements are preceded by "I believe", "evidence suggests", or not..

It is exactly this hiding author intent in the Pyramid Texts. We simply see the same vocabulary and it is apparent to us that they used this vocabulary exactly as we use ours. We don't see the formatting which framed author intent. We read "He is the pyramid, he protects" and we see an obvious abstraction, symbolism, or analogy but math doesn't use such devices so the sentence had ONLY a literal meaning to the author. He was saying that the dead king was actually the pyramid; "that what was wrong with him had been healed" "when they made him a new body". "He was dead" but now he "lived on" in the only way a dead man can live; as a memory. "Khufu lives as G1". Other individuals of the time are forgotten but Khufu lives.

> More "Calvinism" here, though in spades.
As much as I point out the differences between Allen and other translators (Faulkner and earlier), Allen is pretty much translating the same thing. While I've read his work and often am able to check his translations for new solutions it doesn't seem especially important except to the degree he translates more words.

> On
> occasion you do seem to be able to raise some
> interesting questions, but then you invariably go
> off into this sort of nonsense. It's a shame.

winking smiley
The translators are typically correct in a left handed sort of way because they are translating the words (not the formatting or the meaning). We must interpret everything everyone says and usually this interpretation is pretty close when like minded people with similar experience are communicating. But we are nothing like the authors of the PT. We misinterpret so badly we miss the meaning. But, remember, the literal meaning is close to author intent in the PT so of course translators are usually right in a left handed sort of way. My interpretation is based on the literal meaning and I'm extremely familiar with this literal meaning so it follows I must appear right in some way to you. The fact is the PT says that the king is the pyramid and the pyramid is the king dozens upon dozens of times so why shouldn't it sound like something "out of the mouths of babes" when I point this out?

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Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/16/2019 08:48AM by cladking.
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Still avoiding facts I see (with topic "Atum's Shadow")

Hans October 06, 2019 11:06AM

Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 06, 2019 11:54AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 06, 2019 07:08PM

The advantage of never documenting anything

Hans October 06, 2019 10:46PM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

cladking October 07, 2019 08:09AM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

Hans October 07, 2019 08:58AM

Re: The advantage of never documenting anything

cladking October 07, 2019 09:37AM

It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

Hans October 07, 2019 12:05PM

Re: It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

cladking October 07, 2019 02:14PM

Re: It time to stop making claims and provide evidence

Hans October 07, 2019 04:19PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 07, 2019 08:23AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 07, 2019 08:46AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 11, 2019 08:39AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 12, 2019 08:45AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 12, 2019 09:24AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 13, 2019 08:58AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 13, 2019 09:13AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Spiros October 18, 2019 07:44AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 07, 2019 09:07AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 07, 2019 09:29AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

L Cooper October 07, 2019 02:28PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 07, 2019 08:13PM

Challenge taken

Hans October 08, 2019 05:49PM

Re: Challenge taken

cladking October 09, 2019 07:56AM

Your prediction was wrong Cladking

Hans October 09, 2019 10:35AM

Re: Challenge taken

cladking October 10, 2019 05:52PM

Re: Challenge taken

Hans October 10, 2019 07:38PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Chris Tedder October 09, 2019 04:05AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 09, 2019 08:06AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 09, 2019 10:47AM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 09, 2019 09:42PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 09, 2019 11:52PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 09, 2019 09:52PM

Pretending

Hans October 09, 2019 11:25PM

Re: Pretending

cladking October 10, 2019 05:34PM

Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 10, 2019 05:38PM

Re: Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

cladking October 10, 2019 05:56PM

Re: Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 14, 2019 11:27AM

"Shu" Means "Upward".

cladking October 14, 2019 12:52PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

L Cooper October 14, 2019 01:22PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 14, 2019 07:08PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 14, 2019 08:05PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 14, 2019 11:10PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 15, 2019 08:57AM

Still pretending you can translate AE by looking at the English translation..

Hans October 15, 2019 09:14AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

L Cooper October 15, 2019 09:25AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 15, 2019 12:19PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 08:45AM

Why not just show us your research and data? Why are you hiding it?

Hans October 16, 2019 09:57AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Byrd October 15, 2019 05:39PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hans October 15, 2019 06:47PM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

Hermione October 16, 2019 02:30AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 09:05AM

Re: "Shu" Can Mean Many Things

cladking October 16, 2019 09:03AM

More opinion presented as 'fact'

Hans October 16, 2019 09:55AM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

cladking October 16, 2019 04:40PM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

Hans October 16, 2019 05:21PM

Re: More opinion presented as 'fact'

cladking October 16, 2019 06:01PM

Cladking accepts that his idea was falsified

Hans October 16, 2019 07:08PM

Your idea is falsified

Hans October 14, 2019 07:06PM

Substituting Upwards for Shu failure of the ancient language idea

Hans October 10, 2019 05:36PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

cladking October 10, 2019 06:12PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 10, 2019 07:38PM

Re: Atum's Shadow

Hans October 21, 2019 07:16PM



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