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October 20, 2020, 6:38 am UTC    
December 31, 2019 11:39PM
robin cook wrote:
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> Yet Legon in his analysis of the
> shafts writes - "The north and south shafts from
> the King's Chamber are now reported by Gantenbrink
> to have both opened in the casing at the height of
> 80.63 ms ± 4 cm above the base. The apertures
> thus coincided with the level of the 105th course
> as determined by Petrie (3174.7 to 3176.0 inches
> above the base, mean 80.65 ms). This is exactly 2
> × 7 × 11 equals 154 cubits above the base". And
> Gantenbrink's whole shaft analysis and diagrams
> are based upon a height for both shafts as 154
> cubits. Meanwhile in Magli's book 'Architecture,
> Astronomy and Sacred Landscape in Ancient Egypt'
> (2013), on page 79 he states - "I shall use the
> most reliable data on the shafts' slopes, provided
> by Rudolph Gantenbrink". (Though he also states
> that the uncertainty of shaft angles is about a
> degree !).

Gantenbrink has used this concept of "shaft angles" to discredit the astronomical interpretation of the shafts. He assigns a gradient of 7:11 to the KCN shaft, but he also records that the final 16% of this shaft is set at a consistent angle that is slightly flatter than the 7:11 slope. In my estimation, this final slope is seked 11½ palms, and taking this datum, we can confirm the astronomical alignment of this shaft towards the pole star Thuban. In my view, the geometric and astronomical interpretations of this shaft are made entirely compatible. I would also add that the astronomical interpretation does not account entirely for KCN's exit precisely at the top of course 102, but that the 110c difference in elevations between KCN's possible intended exit elevation of 151c 2½p and the 41c 2½p elevation of the floor joint at the junction of the GG and AP does give an elegant solution to this problem.

> In the nineties I was hauled over the coals for
> producing a shaft analysis based on Petrie with a
> horizontal distance between shaft exits of 200 cubits.

Who did the hauling, if you don't mind me asking?

> So 20 years ago I downloaded Gantenbrink's
> CAD drawings for study. Taking the KC shafts, if
> the various constructional bends around the
> chambers are ignored, we find that the long
> straight portions converge 77 cubits above base
> and 22 cubits from centre, key evidence for the
> 7/11 scheme.

Absolutely. Gantenbrink's primary design for these shafts, 70/70 for KCS and 70/110 for KCN, is fundamental. It should be noted that these two values, 70c and 110c, are one quarter of the height and base dimensions of the pyramid.

> This also produces the important
> ratio 99/70, or 280/198. So if the goalposts have
> moved back to Petrie how can we explain this?

There are several designs going on here, all compatible.

> (And by the way why are authorities so anal about
> releasing data, considering that the QC shafts
> have now been explored, and much else I wager).

The data has been released. It's just hard to track down. The Project Djedi team released the results on their website at emhotep dot net back in 2011. They also released a paper in a journal whose name I can't remember at the moment. Luca Miatello's analysis of the engineering marks in the QCS chamber is the most credible.

> Turning to the astronomical portions of the shafts
> I am in agreement Kanga. Petrie could at least get
> to and measure their slopes (45 and 31.2 degrees)
> meaning that they pointed to Orion's belt and
> Thuban at its maximum altitude at Khufu's accepted
> date. However, in plan, the northern shaft does not
> point north but is skewed a few degrees to the east.

Don't you mean west? For some reason, all four shafts start about 10 cubits east of the N-S central axis, and veer west over their lengths (and in the case of QCN, veer west quite suddenly), until each exits at the central axis on the north and south faces.

> Considering Khufu's builders were rather
> meticulous in most respects this cannot be a
> 'mistake'. Any offers? (QC north also appears to
> veer very slightly to the east).

I am currently working on this. I don't think anything they did was a mistake. It was all a very elaborate plan to set traps for the unwary.

> Edwards wrote in 'The Pyramids of Egypt' - "Once
> every 24 hours the three stars in Orion's belt
> passed at culmination over the [south KC] shaft.
> We learn from the Pyramid Texts that Orion and
> Sirius occupied almost as important positions in
> the king's plans for his after-life as the
> circumpolar stars. In Spell 821 the king is
> addressed in these words: 'Thou wilt regularly
> ascend with Orion from the eastern region of the
> sky, thou wilt regularly descend with Orion into
> the western region of the sky.' In Spell 882 the
> king is identified with Sirius: 'O King, thou art
> this great star, the companion of Orion, who
> traverses the sky with Orion.' The Great Pyramid
> was unique in making provision for the king to
> associate himself with both the circumpolar stars
> and the constellation of Orion and Sirius."

All very good.

> The AE might have been superstitious but I don't
> think they were idiots. As in the modern world the
> masses probably didn't give much thought to the
> mechanics of the cosmos, being satisfied that
> stars were 'born' in the east and 'died' in the
> west. But the priests who framed the circle of the
> decans might well have conceived a 'proto
> Ptolemaic' model of how things worked. Whatever,
> conditions in egypt were unusual - because of the
> flood and a long growing season it was important
> to keep the masses occupied with public work
> projects and carnivals. Better I suppose than the
> state of eternal war we now enjoy.

I hear ya.

> By the way, regarding the two angles of the west
> passage of the Bent pyramid do you mean Legon
> rather than Butler?

I don't remember Legon saying anything about the Bent W passage. Butler gives the dimensions of the Bent W passage in two parts as:

Upper part: vert. = 21c; hor. = 36c (slope 7:12).
Lower part: vert. = 36c; hor. = 80c (slope 9:20).

The only thing that I can come up with are that these two slopes are proxies for r3 and r5. This would tie in this passage with the slope of the faces of the lower part which is 10:7, which I regard as a proxy for r2.

(If this posts, then it's the "square root" signs that have been causing the problem.)
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Archaeoastronomical Study of the Main Pyramids of Giza, Egypt: Possible Correlations with the Stars

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THE ORION CORRELATION THEORY (OCT) PUT TO THE TEST

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What is the level of KC shaft exits?

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Kanga December 31, 2019 11:39PM

Square root of all evil

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starshaft correlations

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