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September 08, 2009 04:32AM
cladking Wrote:
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> Hermione Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes, but where's the reference to the
> original
> > phrase, "yeast gas"? All I can see is a
> > description of N as "effervescent".
>
> There are innumerable references to CO2 in the
> Pyramid Texts.

No, there aren't ...

> Many
> of them are not definitional and just refer to it
> as something which
> falls from Osiris; his efflux. This is consistent
> with the behavior
> of CO2 when coming out of solution with water
> under standard temper-
> ature and pressure.

Osiris' efflux is a phenomenon that belongs to the world of myth. It is not a description of a chemical reaction. Any similarities of behaviour of the two phenomena - to repeat, one mythical, the other chemical - is purely coincidental.


Even if there were a
> reasonable explanation for
> for all the uses of efflux in the PT one still has
> to question just
> why their Gods would be so sweaty, or
> alternatively, forever dripping
> parts of their corpse onto the desert.

They do it for reasons connected with the world of myth and religion.

> While there are no direct tie-ins to the word for
> "gas" or "gas (of)
> yeast" there still seems little doubt that this
> was the meaning.

Only in your mind is there little doubt. Many others (including me) entertain very serious doubts indeed.

I[].t-
> wt.t is often associated with an odor as are the
> effluxes and typically
> a pleasant odor.
>
> 2109. The sky trembles, the earth quakes before
> the god, before N.
> 2110a. N. by the earth;
> 2110b. ’I[].t-wt.t, thou art not enveloped by the
> earth.
> 2110c. Thy fame is by day; thy fear is by night,
> as a god, lord of fear.

This is a description of the god's divine attributes. He evokes feelings of shock and awe in the world of mortals.

>
> CO2 is not enveloped by the earth when the God
> stands and is a topic
> of learned conversation by day but when the wind
> slows at night fatal
> concentrations can accumulate.

As a matter of interest, what other evidence is there of the AE not only recognizing CO2, but taking part in learned discussions about it? Did they have similar discussions about, e.g., argon, and helium ... ?? Krypton, perhaps ... ???

> 198b. The great ’I[].t has given birth to thee,
> the ’I[].t-wt.t has adorned thee;
> 198c. the ’I[].t-wt.t has given birth to thee, the
> great ’I[].t has adorned thee,
>
> Gas has given birth to the geyser, CO2 adorns it
> (with bubbles)
> CO2 has given birth to the geyser, gas adorns it.

This is how you choose to interpret the passage, which many others believe is a further description of the god's appearance and attributes.

>
> 1916-3 (Nt. 738). Great is thine odour, pleasant
> to the nose, the odour of ’I[].t-wt.t.

Few gods deemed worthy of respect and veneration would be associated with a foul odour. Pleasant odours cannot automatically be associated with CO2.


> There are other uses which also fit with CO2.
> Most are nice clean
> fits for which one would be hardpressed
> (impossible) to find another
> term that fits all the implied characteristics.

I'm afraid you're just ramming round objects into square holes here, ck ...

>
> Here's one that is a clean fit for geysers but
> must be nearly opaque
> to traditional explanation;
>
> 443a. he draws, (the teeth) which are upon (in)
> thy mouth; he saps thy poison
> 443b. with those four strings, which were in the
> service of the sandals of Osiris.
>
> The teeth are in the top of the djed and cause the
> poison (CO2) to come
> out of solution. Osiris' sandals always refer to
> the djed which in which
> Osiris stood.
>
> Here's the most telling reference to CO2;
>
> 131d. His nurse is ’i[].t;
> 131e. it is she who makes his life (through
> nourishment?); it is she who gave birth to N.
>
> Mercer is wrong about it being through nourishment
> of course.

Of course ...

> Finally is the explanation for why the bottom of
> the heiroglyph for "pyra-
> mid" has a red band at the bottom;
>
> 1147a. N. is the red bandage, who comes forth from
> the great ’I[].t;
>
> There is a vast amount of dissolved siderite in
> the water and it stains
> the bottom of the pyramid below the top of the
> geyser.
>
> There really aren't any other explanations
> possible for these translations.
> It's possible the translations are wrong, but what
> are the odds of a bunch
> of monkeys pounding on typewriters writing War and
> Peace. It's more likely
> that this explanation fits because it's right.

No, it fits because you want it to ...

Hermione
Director/Moderator - The Hall of Ma'at
Subject Author Posted

Arris angle

RLH July 03, 2009 10:03AM

Re: Arris angle

RLH July 05, 2009 07:31AM

Re: Arris angle

cladking July 13, 2009 09:21PM

Re: Arris angle

Greg Reeder July 14, 2009 11:08AM

Re: Arris angle

cladking July 14, 2009 01:48PM

Re: Arris angle

Greg Reeder July 14, 2009 02:52PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking July 14, 2009 05:48PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking July 14, 2009 08:25PM

Maybe you are on to something?

Greg Reeder July 14, 2009 10:34PM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

cladking July 16, 2009 11:42PM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

cladking July 21, 2009 12:39AM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

Greg Reeder July 21, 2009 10:41AM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

cladking July 21, 2009 01:57PM

imho CK, you are being too literal again

Jammer July 22, 2009 07:45AM

Re: imho CK, you are being too literal again

cladking July 23, 2009 08:05PM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

Ogygos July 22, 2009 11:45AM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

Jammer July 23, 2009 01:05PM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

Ogygos July 23, 2009 05:41PM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

Jammer July 24, 2009 09:47AM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

cladking July 28, 2009 11:17PM

No rainbow here but careful of the angle.

cladking August 09, 2009 02:07PM

Re: No rainbow here but careful of the angle.

cladking August 09, 2009 02:21PM

It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 03, 2009 12:14AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 03, 2009 07:37PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 04, 2009 01:15PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 04, 2009 08:57PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 06, 2009 10:20AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 06, 2009 12:44PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Greg Reeder September 06, 2009 12:57PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 06, 2009 02:49PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Greg Reeder September 06, 2009 03:11PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 06, 2009 05:42PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Hermione September 07, 2009 08:18AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 07, 2009 11:09AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Hermione September 07, 2009 11:50AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Greg Reeder September 07, 2009 12:44PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 07, 2009 08:19PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 09, 2009 12:00PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 09, 2009 12:44PM

Paradigm shift alert

Warwick L Nixon September 09, 2009 01:43PM

Re: Paradigm shift alert

cladking September 09, 2009 04:26PM

Re: Paradigm shift alert

Warwick L Nixon September 10, 2009 09:51AM

Re: Paradigm shift alert

Don Barone September 10, 2009 11:15AM

Re: Paradigm shift alert

Warwick L Nixon September 10, 2009 11:56AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 07, 2009 08:06PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Hermione September 08, 2009 04:32AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 08, 2009 11:09AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 07, 2009 08:45PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 09, 2009 12:00PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 09, 2009 12:17PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 09, 2009 12:48PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 09, 2009 01:37PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 09, 2009 04:42PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Tommi Huhtamaki September 09, 2009 05:03PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 09, 2009 05:50PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 10, 2009 10:02AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 10, 2009 10:33AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 10, 2009 10:41AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 10, 2009 11:12AM

Okay

Warwick L Nixon September 10, 2009 12:09PM

Re: Okay

cladking September 10, 2009 08:05PM

Re: Okay

Warwick L Nixon September 11, 2009 12:25PM

Re: Okay

cladking September 11, 2009 01:00PM

Re: Okay

Warwick L Nixon September 11, 2009 01:27PM

Re: Okay

cladking September 11, 2009 03:39PM

Re: Okay

Warwick L Nixon September 12, 2009 12:23PM

Re: Okay

cladking September 13, 2009 12:41PM

Re: Okay

Warwick L Nixon September 13, 2009 02:51PM

Re: Okay

cladking September 13, 2009 04:27PM

Re: Okay

Warwick L Nixon September 14, 2009 11:45AM

Re: Okay

cladking September 14, 2009 03:55PM

Re: Okay

Warwick L Nixon September 16, 2009 10:02AM

Re: Okay

cladking September 16, 2009 06:26PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking April 28, 2010 12:34PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Hermione September 09, 2009 02:40PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 09, 2009 05:00PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Tommi Huhtamaki September 09, 2009 05:25PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking March 25, 2016 01:01PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 15, 2009 08:33PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 16, 2009 10:32AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 16, 2009 04:51PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 17, 2009 09:35AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 17, 2009 01:32PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 17, 2009 01:55PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 18, 2009 09:48AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking September 18, 2009 10:22AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Warwick L Nixon September 18, 2009 11:14AM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

cladking March 10, 2010 11:53PM

Re: It ascends from earth and orders the lights above.

Hermione May 26, 2010 01:18AM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

cladking September 09, 2009 12:13PM

Re: Maybe you are on to something?

cladking October 08, 2009 11:41PM

Re: Arris angle

Warwick L Nixon July 15, 2009 10:55AM

Re: Arris angle

cladking August 01, 2009 08:29PM

Lord of the Rainbows.

cladking August 12, 2009 11:07PM

Re: Lord of the Rainbows.

cladking February 13, 2010 08:42PM

Re: Lord of the Rainbows.

Warwick L Nixon February 15, 2010 01:47PM

Re: Lord of the Rainbows.

cladking February 15, 2010 05:56PM

Re: Lord of the Rainbows.

Jammer February 22, 2010 11:24AM

Re: Lord of the Rainbows.

cladking February 22, 2010 04:03PM

perhaps I wasn't clear enough

Warwick L Nixon February 22, 2010 01:07PM

Re: perhaps I wasn't clear enough

cladking February 22, 2010 03:43PM

nuff said

Warwick L Nixon February 24, 2010 12:09PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking March 10, 2016 08:26PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking March 20, 2016 10:00AM

Re: Arris angle

Byrd March 23, 2016 06:46PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking March 23, 2016 07:53PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking March 28, 2016 10:35AM

Re: Arris angle

cladking April 26, 2016 01:41PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking May 07, 2016 08:29PM

Re: Arris angle

Warwick L Nixon July 14, 2009 12:38PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking July 14, 2009 01:49PM

Re: Arris angle

Hermione July 14, 2009 01:54PM

I Q test?

Warwick L Nixon July 14, 2009 02:36PM

Re: Arris angle

RLH July 15, 2009 11:06AM

Re: Arris angle

cladking July 16, 2009 11:34PM

Re: Arris angle

cladking January 09, 2019 10:03PM

Your ideas destroyed by questions you could not answer

Hans January 21, 2019 02:37PM

Re: Your ideas destroyed by questions you could not answer

cladking January 22, 2019 02:22PM

Re: Your ideas destroyed by questions you could not answer

cladking January 23, 2019 09:31AM

Question

Hans January 25, 2019 07:30PM

Re: Question

cladking January 27, 2019 11:05AM

Re: Question

Hermione January 27, 2019 01:33PM

Re: Question

cladking January 27, 2019 03:15PM

Oh my!

Hans January 27, 2019 08:51PM

Re: Oh my!

cladking January 27, 2019 09:57PM

Thanks for the amusement

Hans January 27, 2019 10:11PM

...and you avoided the questions.

Hans January 27, 2019 08:47PM

Re: ...and you avoided the questions.

cladking January 27, 2019 10:03PM

Still trying to avoid the question...amazing

Hans January 27, 2019 10:16PM

Re: Still trying to avoid the question...amazing

cladking January 28, 2019 09:49AM

No answers provide - so bye bye

Hans January 28, 2019 12:49PM

Re: No answers provide - so bye bye

cladking January 28, 2019 01:04PM

Again no answers - just avoidance - questions asked for the last time

Hans January 28, 2019 04:54PM

Re: Again no answers - just avoidance - questions asked for the last time

cladking January 28, 2019 05:55PM

Re: Arris angle

Clive July 16, 2009 11:35PM

Re: Arris angle

RLH July 17, 2009 04:04PM

Re: Arris angle

Don Barone July 17, 2009 09:50AM

Re: Arris angle

RLH July 17, 2009 04:05PM

Re: Arris angle

Don Barone July 18, 2009 06:33AM

Re: Arris angle

Mark Heaton March 17, 2010 02:21AM

Re: Arris angle

Don Barone March 11, 2016 08:17PM

Addendum to Re: Arris angle

Don Barone March 12, 2016 08:05AM



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