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June 03, 2010 11:05AM
lobo-hotei Wrote:
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> No you can't read them. You admitted to such
> already.

This is a simple concept and I know you can follow it since there are much more complicated ideas that give you little trouble.

Every single of the PT translators have written these words in the very language you're reading right now! Doesn't it stand to reason that if these words are shared by you, me and Mercer, Faulkner, etc that we can all read them?

If you can't understand any of these words or the meaning it might have more to do with you than me.

> You have simply took an educated
> interpretaion of the PTS and twisted it to your
> own personal interpretation of what you think the
> AE should have been like and meant to say.

The translators aren't supposed to interpret the words. To some degree this is impossible not to do. Even the very first translator would have seen them as incantations and spells because he was familiar with the later works into which these evolved. Imagine how much different these words would look if he thought he were translating a construction manual or a prayer book instead of mere incantation and spells to get the dead king into heaven.

I have been reading a TRANSLATION of the Pyramid Texts not an INTERPRETATION (I hope).

I have not been interpreting it, merely reading it and am surprised to find what it actually says. To my knowledge no one has ever previously considered that the intended meaning could be the literal one. To make this literal meaning work untranslated words have to be assumed to be referents that are unknown. I'm sure this is getting over your head but let me just say that communication is based on shared referents. You can't understand someone if you don't know what he's talking about. If too many of the words aren't understood then communication fails. You might think they are speaking metaphorically when they are speaking literally.

You might think I am "interpreting" the builders words when all I'm actually doing is reading them and trying to find referents for untranslated words by context.

No interpretation!

> IOW, you brutalized the culture in order to be
> it's savior!

This is irony.

If I'm wrong then it will look to many as though I've been rather nasty to them by calling the PT "mere incantation" and such things. Pointing out all the inconsistencies between their behavior and what all other humans have always done just sort of sounds like I'm picking on them.

If you can show I'm wrong then I'll just have to pry my foot out of my mouth, make my apologies, marvel anew at their accomplishments and go back to trying to figure out how they built the great pyramids.

If you're wrong then it's one of the greatest wrongs ever done a people. Of course it wasn't intentional and the Egyptians will surely stop spinning in their graves almost immediately.

(No, they aren't literally spinning in their graves)

(probably)


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Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.
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Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

cladking May 25, 2010 03:31PM

Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Byrd May 26, 2010 02:47PM

Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

Byrd May 27, 2010 05:12PM

Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

cladking May 27, 2010 05:21PM

A little?

Anthony May 28, 2010 05:38AM

Re: A little?

cladking May 28, 2010 04:16PM

r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

Jammer June 01, 2010 10:00AM

Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

cladking June 01, 2010 10:37AM

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Clad da Vinci???

Warwick L Nixon June 01, 2010 06:02PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 01, 2010 07:11PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 02, 2010 01:08AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 02, 2010 12:30PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 01:47PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 01:46PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 01:44PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 02, 2010 12:22PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 03, 2010 12:47AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 11:08AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

Jammer June 02, 2010 11:33AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 02:11PM

Jammer...

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Re: Jammer...

cladking June 02, 2010 02:40PM

Re: Jammer...

lobo-hotei June 03, 2010 12:50AM

Re: Jammer...

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 02, 2010 12:46PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 02:27PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 03, 2010 01:21AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 03, 2010 11:05AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

Jammer June 03, 2010 11:53AM

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cladking June 03, 2010 04:03PM

Difficulties of translating religious texts

Hermione June 03, 2010 11:59AM

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Anthony June 03, 2010 01:08PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 01:24PM

Brilliant quote...

Anthony June 03, 2010 06:38PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

cladking June 03, 2010 06:46PM

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cladking June 03, 2010 06:49PM

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Re: Brilliant quote...

cladking June 03, 2010 08:14PM

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Re: Brilliant quote...

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Re: Brilliant quote...

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Re: Brilliant quote...

cladking June 03, 2010 08:28PM

to this I must reluctantly respond

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 09:47PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 03, 2010 10:41PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 11:09PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 11:58PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Khazar-khum June 12, 2010 09:57PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Khazar-khum June 13, 2010 01:57AM

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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cladking June 13, 2010 11:50AM

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Tommi Huhtamaki June 13, 2010 12:09PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 13, 2010 05:02PM

imho this is a waste of all our valuable time...

Jammer June 13, 2010 02:42PM

Re: imho this is a waste of all our valuable time...

cladking June 13, 2010 04:08PM

Re: imho this is a waste of all our valuable time...

Jammer June 14, 2010 11:49AM

to this I must reluctantly respond

Jammer June 13, 2010 07:28AM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 13, 2010 11:25AM

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Jammer June 13, 2010 02:33PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 13, 2010 04:31PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Khazar-khum June 13, 2010 02:36PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

Hermione June 04, 2010 03:32AM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

cladking June 03, 2010 04:12PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

cladking June 03, 2010 04:10PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

Hermione June 03, 2010 04:21PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

cladking June 03, 2010 04:26PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

Hermione June 03, 2010 04:34PM

Citation problem

Anthony June 03, 2010 12:58PM

Re: Citation problem

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 01:17PM

Re: Citation problem

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

cladking June 01, 2010 07:12PM

Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

Warwick L Nixon June 01, 2010 07:32PM

Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

cladking June 01, 2010 12:02PM

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cladking June 01, 2010 01:12PM

Since you ask...

Anthony June 01, 2010 02:19PM

Re: Since you ask...

cladking June 01, 2010 05:06PM

Re: Since you ask...

Khazar-khum June 01, 2010 06:28PM

Re: Since you ask...

cladking June 01, 2010 07:25PM

Re: Since you ask...

Warwick L Nixon June 01, 2010 07:44PM

Re: Since you ask...

Khazar-khum June 02, 2010 03:15PM

Ummm... hello?

Anthony June 02, 2010 10:26AM

Re: Ummm... hello?

Warwick L Nixon June 02, 2010 10:50AM

Oops

cladking June 02, 2010 11:10AM

Oops

Jammer June 02, 2010 11:39AM

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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your sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

Jammer June 01, 2010 03:13PM

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cladking June 01, 2010 05:09PM

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cladking June 01, 2010 05:37PM

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cladking June 01, 2010 10:11PM

your sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

Jammer June 02, 2010 11:48AM

Re: your sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

cladking June 02, 2010 02:48PM

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cladking June 02, 2010 03:02PM

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cladking June 02, 2010 07:07PM

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cladking June 02, 2010 07:17PM

The Pyramids and Temples of Geyser

Anthony June 02, 2010 08:56PM

Re: The Pyramids and Temples of Geyser

cladking June 02, 2010 09:21PM

Re: The Pyramids and Temples of Geyser

Jammer June 03, 2010 09:45AM

Re: The Pyramids and Temples of Geyser

cladking June 03, 2010 04:21PM

Re: The Pyramids and Temples of Geyser

Hermione June 03, 2010 04:23PM

Re: The Pyramids and Temples of Geyser

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Re: your sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

cladking June 03, 2010 06:42PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 01, 2010 08:34PM

Pyramids and Turnips...

Jammer June 14, 2010 12:09PM

Re: Pyramids and Turnips...

Jammer June 14, 2010 12:31PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 14, 2010 12:57PM



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