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June 13, 2010 11:50AM
Tommi Huhtamaki Wrote:
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> Why do you want to separate the building of a ramp
> from the construction the a pyramid or a temple
> itself? The ramp itself has no significance: no
> one would be building one if it wouldn't help the
> construction of something that has significance.
>
> Why would anyone be designated to building a ramp,
> and not work on many other tasks in the
> construction too? Why would he be a ramp builder
> and not a pyramid builder?

...Industrial organization and specialization.

In ancient times these would have been far less important than now days but a lot of the work entailed a great deal of skill. Even withing a specialty like masonry there are some who are better at some aspects than others and these men would naturally gravitate to what they did best or most enjoyed. Some would shape stone and some would set it. Others might feel more comfortable mixing and applying mortar or making the last configurations to get the block into place.

There were such jobs as "Overseer of the Metal Workers" and "Overseer of the side of the Pyramid". These suggest a division of labor along traditional and time honored specialties. The alternative might be a sort of free-for-all. It seems that merely the existence of an "Overseer of the side of the Pyramid" suggests that there were no ramps. The title clearly suggests that the work between sides was essentially equal or it would be "Overseer of the East side of the Pyramid" to reflect the greater or lesser responsibility dependent on the specific side. There's no work going on on ANY side of the pyramid with ramps since the side is buried under fill and the work takes place on the ramp. So what would the "Overseer of the side of the Pyramid" do? Stand around and report when the ramp fell?

Ramps would have entailed a great deal of effort and resources to build and operate as well as a huge amount of knowledge. Getting the surface as slick as possible that loads could move up and not so slick that they'd slide down would require specialists to build and maintain. Somebody needs to inspect and repair these on a regular basis. With so much work going on it would require several inspectors and a small army of repairmen.

There's also evolution. In order for ramps to have been the means to lift stones we have to believe either enough advancements were made in ramp technogy over a couple hundred years to go from Djoser's to one that required 15 times the work or that the Egyptian state increased in size or willingness to build so much larger. This latter possibility seems unlikely since there were no big changes in size or the economy in this era so this leaves us to wonder what improvements could be made in ramps that would allow such huge increases in output. I suppose more lanes could be added. ...perhaps an off ramp.

But it always comes back to a lack of evidence. Building even one of these without leaving evidence seems a feat in itself. But one is left to assume that they spent a huge percentage of the GDP to build ramps and use them but no one thought to record it and no one was in charge of doing it.



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Man fears the pyramid, time fears man.
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Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

Byrd May 25, 2010 12:34PM

Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Emerald Tablet

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

cladking May 26, 2010 11:18PM

Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

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Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

cladking May 26, 2010 04:58PM

Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

Byrd May 27, 2010 05:12PM

Re: Cenotes and pyramids.

cladking May 27, 2010 05:21PM

A little?

Anthony May 28, 2010 05:38AM

Re: A little?

cladking May 28, 2010 04:16PM

r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

Jammer June 01, 2010 10:00AM

Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 01, 2010 07:11PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 01:46PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 01:44PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 02, 2010 12:22PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

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Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 11:08AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

Jammer June 02, 2010 11:33AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 02:11PM

Jammer...

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Re: Jammer...

cladking June 02, 2010 02:40PM

Re: Jammer...

lobo-hotei June 03, 2010 12:50AM

Re: Jammer...

Jammer June 03, 2010 09:18AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 02, 2010 12:46PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 02, 2010 02:27PM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

lobo-hotei June 03, 2010 01:21AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 03, 2010 11:05AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

Jammer June 03, 2010 11:53AM

Re: Clad da Vinci???

cladking June 03, 2010 04:03PM

Difficulties of translating religious texts

Hermione June 03, 2010 11:59AM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

Anthony June 03, 2010 01:08PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 01:24PM

Brilliant quote...

Anthony June 03, 2010 06:38PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

cladking June 03, 2010 06:46PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

cladking June 03, 2010 06:49PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

Sirfiroth June 03, 2010 07:48PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

cladking June 03, 2010 08:14PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 07:47PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

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Re: Brilliant quote...

cladking June 03, 2010 08:29PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

cladking June 03, 2010 08:28PM

to this I must reluctantly respond

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 09:47PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 03, 2010 10:41PM

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Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 11:09PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 03, 2010 11:32PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 11:58PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Khazar-khum June 12, 2010 09:57PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 12, 2010 10:13PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Khazar-khum June 13, 2010 01:57AM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 13, 2010 10:39AM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Tommi Huhtamaki June 13, 2010 10:51AM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 13, 2010 11:50AM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Tommi Huhtamaki June 13, 2010 12:09PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 13, 2010 05:02PM

imho this is a waste of all our valuable time...

Jammer June 13, 2010 02:42PM

Re: imho this is a waste of all our valuable time...

cladking June 13, 2010 04:08PM

Re: imho this is a waste of all our valuable time...

Jammer June 14, 2010 11:49AM

to this I must reluctantly respond

Jammer June 13, 2010 07:28AM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

cladking June 13, 2010 11:25AM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Jammer June 13, 2010 02:33PM

Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

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Re: to this I must reluctantly respond

Khazar-khum June 13, 2010 02:36PM

Re: Brilliant quote...

Hermione June 04, 2010 03:32AM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

cladking June 03, 2010 04:12PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

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Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

Hermione June 03, 2010 04:21PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

cladking June 03, 2010 04:26PM

Re: Difficulties of translating religious texts

Hermione June 03, 2010 04:34PM

Citation problem

Anthony June 03, 2010 12:58PM

Re: Citation problem

Warwick L Nixon June 03, 2010 01:17PM

Re: Citation problem

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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cladking June 01, 2010 01:12PM

Since you ask...

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Re: Since you ask...

cladking June 01, 2010 05:06PM

Re: Since you ask...

Khazar-khum June 01, 2010 06:28PM

Re: Since you ask...

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Re: Since you ask...

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Re: Since you ask...

Khazar-khum June 02, 2010 03:15PM

Ummm... hello?

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Re: Ummm... hello?

Warwick L Nixon June 02, 2010 10:50AM

Oops

cladking June 02, 2010 11:10AM

Oops

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Re: r sense of logical debate fails you with this oft repeated mantra!

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The Pyramids and Temples of Geyser

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cladking June 02, 2010 09:21PM

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Pyramids and Turnips...

Jammer June 14, 2010 12:09PM

Re: Pyramids and Turnips...

Jammer June 14, 2010 12:31PM

**Moderation note**

Hermione June 14, 2010 12:57PM



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